i think the line between orgy and swinging has been obscured. or maybe im/we are just old fashioned. But we do this to enjoy other partners. we dont do this to climb in the bed with a room filled with people. neither to have a groupe sex. we like to chat...meet... chat... then maybe some girl on girl. then we like to switch partners and enjoy ourselves with someone differnt. keep it simple. drama free. many people claim to be swingers but arent willing to let their partner enjoy anothers company unless they are critiqueing the entire event. we dont have that problem in our relationship and we are looking for others like ourselves. with that said, we are open minded. so if there is anything else u want.. ask first... then be willing to take no for an answer.. if u guys are interested, please be up front with whats on your minds, then we can see what we can work out... thanks to all that have shown interest

My Ideal Person the ideal friend is a lady that enjoys playing 1 on 1 play with either of us, as well as playing with both of us together.